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Innovative Real Estate with Three Squared, Inc.
Everything You Need To Know About Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs)
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Let's face it, there is a housing crisis in America.
As housing demand increases, more and more municipalities have begun allowing property owners to build accessory dwelling units (ADUs). These supplementary properties not only help with the housing crisis, they can also help maximize a client's home, and provide a passive income.
In this episode Breck, Leslie, and Claire share insight on exactly what an ADU is and why they are popping up on properties all across the county.
Here's a glimpse of what you'll learn from us in this episode:
- What is an Accessory Dwelling Unit.
- Why there is an increase in cities allowing ADU development.
- Parameters and restrictions of ADUs.
- Questions you need to ask yourself in order to maximize your property.
- Breck's Project Highlight of the Week: West End Bin! (Renamed from Byrere Terrace ADU)
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Welcome to the Innovative Real Estate Podcast with your hosts, Leslie Ford, Frex Randolph and Claire O'Veleft. We're here to make your life easier as a real estate developer and teach you everything we've learned about designing and building innovative homes, multifamily, and mixed-year structures. On this podcast, we'll be giving you our best advice, trainings, and QA segments so you can learn from our years of experience and make your innovative vision a reality. Welcome back to another episode here on Innovative Real Estate with Three Squared Inc. My name is Claire. I'm our director of sales and marketing.
SPEAKER_01We've also got I'm Brett Crandall, Director of Design of Three Squared.
SPEAKER_00Leslie Horn, CEO and founder of Three Squared. CEO.
SPEAKER_02About. That's right. And we are thrilled you're listening today. We've got a project type specific episode ready for you. We're going to be diving into what you need to know about developing ADUs. This is a really popular project type, particularly with all of us having calls with people wanting to get more information about builds. Everyone's wanting to do ADUs over their garage and just finding ways to create more passive income to help finance the project, which is genius. So we're going to be diving into this today and uh really getting into some of the details and also sharing some kind of case study examples from some of the projects we're working on right now. So if this is something you're exploring as a developer or as a home builder wanting to add this on into your project, then uh this is the episode for you. So as usual, you can find our contact link down below in our description. You can find our projects. And if you've been listening to episodes previous to this, you know where to find all that. So we'll get right into the episode here. But thank you for tuning in. And Brett, take it away with our project highlight of the week.
SPEAKER_01Always, always a project highlight of the week. Um, well, guys, I want to start by saying this is like a big milestone for us because we're on episode 25 of this podcast. It's kind of mind-blowing to me. Um, because uh, you know, what is it, like most podcasts don't last past 14 episodes or something like that? Yeah, true. We made it past. That turns turns out we uh we got a lot to talk about. So thanks for joining us on this journey. All right, project highlight of the week this week comes from Atlanta, Georgia, which is turning into kind of like a little hotspot for us. We the more we like operate in this world of uh of you know housing solutions and innovative real estate, the more we find like hot pockets throughout the United States. Um, and Atlanta has become one of those, hotlanta as they call it. Um, so I'm told. But today we're bringing you Brier Terrace ADU. Uh, it is a micro unit behind an existing uh two-family house. So it's a house that was split like back in the like 70s into two units, and um, it's created a lot of uh income for the owner of the property. But it would make a ton of sense to be able to prove the model that he can build a small unit in the backyard of the lot, which has a lot of space. It's a triangular lot, so it's got like it kind of opens up in the back, and um, it's a perfect spot to be able to drop a thousand square foot unit in the back. So a two-bedroom, one and a half bath unit in the backyard, and it's going to provide some passive income for our client. Uh, the design is really meant to kind of not mimic but complement the existing house. So using some of the same colors, materials, and textures on the on the back unit there, um, so that it all looks like one cohesive project. So Briar Terrace ADU coming to you on social media shortly. Um, we're really excited about this project and uh watch out for it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, fingers crossed. I think we'll by the release of this episode, we'll have everything posted to socials and to our uh projects page on our website. So check out the link below and uh check out all the newly released renderings for this project. It's really exciting. Thank you, Breck. So uh moving on into the meat of this episode. Kind of the flow of conversation here. I'd love to cover, you know, what is an ADU for people who aren't super familiar or who are just beginning to explore this as an option for their project. And why are they popping off right now is my question. Because from the sales perspective, you know, I speak with a lot of single family home builders or developers who want to build single family homes. And then the rest of our team takes more of the commercial and multifamily stuff. But from my perspective, holy smokes, everyone is everyone of their mothers wanting to build an ADU with their project right now. So can you dive into a little bit around, you know, what is an ADU and why are they becoming so popular right now?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so let's dive in. Uh so for those of you who are not familiar, but maybe probably you have heard the term ADU. There's enough acronyms in this universe. There's uh a lot of acronyms in the world of architecture and real estate. So ADU stands for accessory dwelling unit. So not a primary residence, but an additional, most likely almost always smaller unit that's on the same property uh that provides like an alternative housing option for people who need the additional housing and need the additional income from having a rental unit on their property. Um these were historically known as mother-in-law suites, you know. So, like when families were aging, um, you know, the the father passed away, the mother uh needed a place to stay, or vice versa. And so the family would then erect like a small house that's uh tertiary to the main residence, right? So that your your in-law could stay on the property and get assistance as they age in place, uh, and the family could stay like connected as one unit. Um, now, you know, times change and uh modern medicine has created you know huge leaps and bounds. So that's not always the case. You know, we still have a lot of clients that come to us for that reason, but more often than not, now we're seeing people are building accessory dwelling units in order to create more income. And ultimately, the cities are looking to provide more housing. So let's let's zoom out a little bit. And you know, that was like turn of the century, right? You build like in-law suites. I mean, the the real historic precedent here is really like carriage houses. Carriage houses were a building that were separate from the main structure. And if you are anywhere in the Midwest, any of the major cities like Detroit, Chicago, especially, you know, it was it was horse and carriage driven. So everybody had a stable. And then above the stable where they would actually store their houses or the horses that would drive the carriages, they would have like a little unit above that. And oftentimes those were converted into like dwelling units. So if you walk through the city of Chicago and the old areas, you'll you'll see the cobblestone streets that divide a house and an outbuilding. And that outbuilding was historically, you know, a carriage house with like a tiny unit on top of it. So fast forward a little bit from there, and cities started saying, absolutely not, no way. We don't want these tiny houses, these little pop-ups happening all over the place. It could be a disaster. There's construction happening everywhere in people's backyards. People are building, you know, things that are two, three times the size of their house, like right up against their house. And it really like started to challenge the urban fabric of these areas. And so all the cities just banned them, you know, across the board. It was like almost across the entire nation. They were like, no way, we're not going to allow this anymore. But in the last decade, specifically the last five years, there's been this hot topic. We have talked about it lots of times on this podcast, that there's a housing crisis and we don't have enough units for the people that are looking for units right now. And it's causing a huge shakeup in the real estate industry. If you're out there looking for a house or a rental unit right now, you are feeling the pain of what I'm saying right now because you're living it. So a couple of cities fought the good fight and said, you know what, we're going to allow you to build something in your backyard if you follow these very restrictive rules. Rules on sizing, rules on height, and how it looks, so that you know, from the street, it's not disturbing the neighborhoods and from anywhere that it's visible, it's not upsetting anyone, and it just feels naturally like part of the urban environment. But it allows you to create an additional unit that you can then rent or house somebody or do like transient lodging on your property. So that brings us to the fact that now almost all cities, all major cities, definitely, have turned about face and said, we will now allow these as a way to start to alleviate this extreme housing crisis and shortage of units across the nation.
SPEAKER_02Can I chime in here and just share from firsthand experience? So for anyone listening, I just moved to Austin, Texas in December, which is now July. So I've been here about seven months. And pretty much every single house has an ADU. And Austin being the fastest growing real estate market in the US right now, like Austin needs housing. And what I started to notice looking around was like literally every single house is either a duplex or it's got a unit in the back, and there's just new construction everywhere you turn. But it must be from like just the city regulations, how things need to look. Like they look very nice. Everything matches the main building. You can't really tell in a lot of cases if it's part of the house, if it's a guest house, if it's a garage. Um but case in point, housing crisis equals we need more units ASAP.
SPEAKER_00Wow. And so Breck, what if if we were to apply this to real world, like for example, in the city of Detroit, I know that they um is that a good example of cities that are just automatically saying, okay, ADUs are totally allowed in zone R1, um, which is your residential single-family house unit by right. And give us an example of what type of parameters you have to use when, like just some examples, like in with your setbacks and zoning and some of those code reviews. What are some examples that you have to keep tight on?
SPEAKER_01Sure. I mean, the list is now at this point probably shorter cities that don't allow accessory dwelling units. And if they're still saying no, there's a likelihood that in the next, you know, 12, 18 months, they might also change their mind because they have also identified this being an issue. And part of that is just like ease of access because you're not starting a project from scratch. Buying land, identifying all of the parameters around that land, getting a site survey, getting your soils tests, all of your due diligence that's required to buy land, it's almost just as hard as like buying a house, honestly. Sometimes it's even harder because you have to dig for that data. It's not just provided to you by like a realtor. So, one of the reasons why all these cities are turning around and saying like ADUs are okay now is because you already own the property, you know that property intimately. You know where your water service is, you know where your water meter is, you know where the electrical panel is, you know if you've got a sewer line, like all those things are kind of like set up. So it takes out one of the biggest hurdles in development of new real estate in the fact that you already own the property, right? And so now you're just starting from there. And the only challenge that I've really seen with any of these cities uh is infrastructure, is sometimes like the sewer line wasn't big enough to handle double the amount of houses in the same area. You know what I mean? Like, so so that's like the only parameter that might challenge some of these or why some of the cities might be pushing back. It's because like we don't have power supply for that many houses. But a lot of cities, you know, are were pretty progressive when they developed their infrastructure, right? They planned for more than they currently have, just in that future projection, knowing that things were going to change in the future. So oftentimes not a big deal. So let's look at one of the most restrictive areas I've ever looked in, and it's where I grew up in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Ann Arbor is consistently ranked like one of the best places to live in the United States. It's the home of the University of Michigan. It is uh known for its uh its heavy density of foliage and trees. So it really is a beautiful area, and for that reason, they have lots of restrictions on what you can build, how it looks. Like you basically have to ask the city if you can like paint your fence. So, you know, that's like knowing how challenging they have been to get permits and approvals on on different projects, both commercial and residential, um, we know that they're they're sticklers, you know, there's no other way to say it. So it was fascinating to me that a few years ago, Ann Arbor said, yeah, we'll allow accessory dwelling units, but they put in place a very restrictive set of rules. And when I say restriction, it oftentimes comes with like a negative connotation. But as an architect, I actually love hearing that we have restrictions because the more restrictions you have, the faster you can make progress because you have a box in which to work with. And so the rules and parameters that a lot of these accessory dwelling units uh have in the zoning ordinances, that's where like this information will be found. So it's written by the people in zoning and planning. They you know put the rules together and agree on this, and oftentimes they borrow a template from another city and then edit it and make it you know applicable to their specific locale. But those restrictions can include like, okay, it can only be X number of square feet, and it can't be any smaller than X number of square feet. So there's really like a small window there. So a lot of times we hear it has to be bigger than 500 square feet, but less than a thousand square feet. That's that's like a real common one. Uh, another one that we've run into is it just has to be a volume smaller than the primary residence. Sometimes it's more restrictive than that. Sometimes it's like a percentage of volume. Like it has to be less than 50% the size of the primary residence. And a lot of that just depends on, you know, the fabric of your neighborhood, how it looks from the street, and how big your houses are, right? Like if you have 4,000, 5,000 square foot houses, like, you know, obviously you have a little bit more play. But a lot of these are happening in areas where it's like, you know, 50s and 60s housing, like post-war era housing that's, you know, 1,200 square feet. So 1,200 square feet, and you're building, you know, a thousand square feet or less in your backyard. So that's like one of the restrictions. Another restriction is definitely building height. A lot of these will say one story, no more, right? It has to be like ranch style, it has to be one level. Um, other ones will say like it has to be under 25 feet high, where like the houses have a limitation of 35 feet high. And the idea here is just, I mean, you're you're starting to pick up the pieces, right? It's just to make a smaller building on the same lot. That's generally, you know, the parameters here. It's very, very rare that they're like, yeah, build a house twice the size of your house behind your house. Or like, because it, you know, not only does that not make a ton of sense, but it visually doesn't make a ton of sense. So that's where a lot of those rules and regulations come from. And then finally, it's obviously it's all has to do a lot with how things look, how things look from the street. So if you're walking on the sidewalk, if you're driving by, what are you allowed to see? Um, how is that covered? So there's a lot of like um, you know, barrier requirements of like, hey, do we want, you know, a couple of bushes or something like that to kind of soften the edges of your development back there. Um, and other times they're like, it needs to look like the house that's currently there. Or here, I've even seen so restrictive that they go, here are the approved colors and siding materials that we will allow. Here are the allowable roofs, and here's how windows need to look and act. And we need X number of windows on each wall. So it's really just like following the rules. But from a design standpoint, honestly, this is just a benefit to anybody who's looking to build an accessory dwelling unit on their property because it allows us to help you design that unit much faster. Because we're not starting with a blank slate, we're starting with here are the rules. How can we fit within this box and still make this a beautiful project that meets your requirements?
SPEAKER_00Breck, when you're asked to design a single family house and then an ADU in the back, and the client says, I'm not sure if we're going to do both at the same time. Can you tell us the pros and cons about designing at least up front? And then what are the cons about doing it separately?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, funny you ask because we're doing this on a couple of projects right now. Uh so it's um it's it's an interesting era that we're in now because we know the rules allow for an accessory dwelling unit. Um here's here's the kicker though, is that you're not ever allowed to build the smaller unit first because of the rules that we just discussed. Because if you build the smaller unit, that is now your primary residence. That's just you know the law of the land. If you if you build something there and it's the first thing on the site, that's going to be considered the main building. So now if you build an ADU, it have to be even smaller and more restrictive than that, right? Which now you're really in a pigeonhole. So you generally have to build the primary residence first, which is typically you know more of a single family or a duplex or you know, whatever meets the rules and requirements of your zoning ordinance. Now, what Leslie's getting at is there's the option, because we know that these are allowed now, that we could potentially design both at the same time, which now you've got a design that you can pitch to the bank, to general contractors, to the city planners in order to get some feedback and approval, get your um, you know, basically an idea of how much money you're allowed to be lent from a bank or financial institution. Uh, it allows you to kind of understand the holistic cost implications of if you were to build everything, knowing that you don't have to build them both at the same time. You could build the first one, but you've already got the design for the second one. And it's really useful because um some of these lots have plenty of room. Some of them are really tight. And if we had the ability to adjust where that first building went so that it made the accessory dwelling unit infinitely easier to fit on the site or to access with a driveway or a garage or anything like that, then now we've planned the whole site as one thing, but we're gonna build it in phases. But again, it gives you an idea of cost. It allows you to talk about the design and design it in a way that the whole site functions uh very appropriately and efficiently. And um and it gives you it gives you a head start when you're talking to general contractors because oftentimes, you know, we've talked about again and again and again on this podcast how challenging it is to find builders right now because everybody's building and a lot of these GCs are working on accessory dwelling units. Uh, but it allows you to start the conversation early and say, hey, we're building this house now, but in two years, we'd like to add this accessory dwelling unit. Can you keep us penciled and on your schedule? And we'll talk more once we have you know official drawings on that. So, all really helpful strategies when planning a new construction, if you know that you want the option for an accessory dwelling unit in the future.
SPEAKER_00And can you build them at the same time?
SPEAKER_01Ooh, that's really a good question. And it depends on where you're at. Some cities require there to be an existing building before you can build the accessory dwelling unit. So, really, it's a case by case basis.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02Brooke, what would you say to people or Leslie, if you want to chime in on this too? Sometimes people call in and they're not sure if they can build an ADU or they're not sure if If it would make sense financially to add on the additional square footage, you know, how long would it take to earn that back? What kinds of conversations are you having with developers in the instance where they're not sure if they want to do it or not?
SPEAKER_01So I'll start. And then I know Leslie has a lot to talk on like the financial end of things and how you can possibly project that. But to know if it's allowed, again, I mean, most instances it is. And if it's not, it's probably currently being challenged by someone. So just hold on tight. But if you want to know, I mean, check your zoning ordinance. All cities, all townships across the nation are gonna have a zoning ordinance online. Again, that's something that we've covered in a previous episode. Um, you know, you can go online, Google the name of your township. And I'm I'm actually, guys, just a side note here, I'm so blown away by how many people don't actually know where they're building. Like they think they're in Atlanta, but actually they're like just outside of a jurisdiction of the main city, and they're actually in a township, and they have to answer to a totally different planning and zoning board. So, you know, Google that, like, figure out where you exist and know exactly, you know, what your municipality is. That's the term municipality. That's like, you know, who makes the rules for where you exist, and then find out where your zoning ordinance is and then just read it. Most of the time, you can control F, which is the search function, and you can just type in accessory dwelling unit or type in ADU, and that will pull up the section in the zoning ordinance that tells you the rules and parameters. That's often a quick and easy way to do it. If you need more information, try to call your planning department and ask for somebody in zoning and then ask them if this is allowed. Just tell them what you're thinking and ask them if they can kind of guide you in the right direction. But from a financial standpoint, Leslie, how do people know if this is something that's going to benefit them? How do they project cost? And why would they go about even searching for this option in the first place?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's um a super, super awesome question. The first and foremost is as uh, you know, if if it's if if you have to answer two or three really important questions. Number one, if this is in the back in your backyard and you're living in the front house, um, number one, do you want somebody in your backyard? Number two, do you want somebody helping you pay your mortgage? And number three, do you want to increase the value of your property? So there's a lot of different internal questions and personal questions that only you can determine. Um, as a developer, your best thoughts are honestly, how do I maximize the full potential of this lot? Because there's gonna be certain costs that you that you won't have to do when building a second unit. You can there's some inherent cost savings. For example, the design piece, architectural and engineering. You're already going to have all your engineering done for the property, which is awesome. Number two, you're gonna have a general contractor out there. You might as well have them just stay, having them instead of coming out two trips, if you're able to build them concurrently, simultaneously, at the same time. But it's all about, you know, um articulating and putting your plan together. And the second piece to that, and the other question is are you in a neighborhood that it would be good for transient housing for Airbnb or you know, VRBO, all those other things? You know, there's some we can always just talk about Detroit because Detroit has some very specific neighborhoods that are getting two and three hundred dollars a night. So let's say you rent that Airbnb out, even if it's 200 bucks a night for 10 nights. Holy smokes, $2,000 minus your costs, your inherent cost. You have a little bit of extra electricity and water, you have cleaning costs, but they actually clean the, they take care of the cleaning costs themselves. Um, so you're like now having somebody literally pay for your mortgage or a good portion of it. And you know, all depends where you're at as a as a as a in in your investment portfolio status, in your visions of how you're going to retire. Is this just um a house that you want to build now, rent it out on an Airbnb basis, or rent it out for, you know, $1,200 a month, $1,500 a month. Maybe it's in your neighborhood. It can only be for seven or eight hundred a month. Those are important factors when determining your budget because you're gonna have your primary house cost and then you're gonna have this. So there's a lot of pre-planning in advance that you have to have. We're not gonna get through all of those questions, but these are heartfelt questions that you need to ask yourself. What is, you know, if I'm maximizing the land, you bet I'm gonna try and get as many micro units on that lot as possible because all of your eggs are not in that basket. I mean, honestly, if you're going to rent out the front house, what happens if um the renter leaves and it's a mess? You still have the back house that can bring in revenue while the first one is being, you know, searching for a new tenant or vice versa. You know, just it just it helps it helps with cash flow. I think that's going to be the bottom line. And so it all depends on what you and what your goals and what your visions are for that property, not only if it's just your own single family home, but if you're an investor and if you're a developer, all those, all those factors apply.
SPEAKER_01Really, it's funny, Leslie. It's funny when you talk about, you know, um helping out on your mortgage, right? Because uh if you if you're a regular listener, you uh you know that I'm kind of taking on this endeavor of designing and building my own house here in Detroit right now. And funny enough, I crunched some numbers, and it turns out that if I have an accessory dwelling unit on my property, I'm going to be able to pay my mortgage by renting that out as a transient lodging. So it just made total natural sense that as a part of the lot design, we also included a mother-in-law suite or an you know, an accessory dwelling unit, this micro unit on the property. Now mine's really small. It's only 430 square feet, but it's just like basically an open bedroom with a kitchen and uh and a galley, uh, galley kitchen and a and a tiny bath. But it's enough that, you know, because the popularity of this area, people are gonna pay enough per night staying here that even even at 25% capacity of renting this thing out, it's gonna pay the mortgage for my my full house and my construction loan. So it makes a lot of sense for people to be able to do this financially. And it's really cool that cities are starting to allow this and to not only allow it, but also like encourage it in many instances.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, truly is amazing. Um, and you know, all the building codes and you know, we had somebody in the city of Detroit who owns land in Detroit. They actually live in Chicago, and he's building some legacy properties. He does a lot of rehabs, but this is his first venture in building something from the ground up, and it's it's over by the eight-mile area, really, really good area. Um, and he's like, I I really just don't know. I think it's zoned R1. I did a cursory search, you know, and I'm not the most experienced at this, everybody, but I just did a real tiny res research on on not just um R1, which says only single family homes, but then now the building code in Detroit says ADUs are allowed. And there are a lot of rules per BREC that have to follow along. So not all not all lots can handle an ADU because they have to be unattached in most cases, and um you know, just all those little specific rules. They like Breck said, they do have to be smaller, etc. But it's something that you can look into your municipality. If not, make a phone call. Planning departments love to talk to people who are wanting to increase um tax basis for the city. So they're happy to chat.
SPEAKER_02Amazing. I think we covered about as much as people can handle in this episode. I think this was really thorough. Does anyone have any final closing points before we before we wrap up here?
SPEAKER_01What if I want to build two ADUs?
SPEAKER_02I was thinking that, but I didn't know if we had enough time for it.
SPEAKER_00Brett, what would what would it look like if you what if you wanted to build two ADUs?
SPEAKER_01I I know people get sick of this answer, but it's uh a case-by-case basis. Um, some cities will allow it. Most of the cities are like a one-to-one, right? Because I would they do want to protect the density and they don't want to get too crazy with it. I mean, their understandings there's a housing crisis and everything in between, but you know, one additional unit on every single property in an entire city would be pretty bonkers. So I understand where they're coming from, but we actually have two projects right now, one in Orlando, Florida, like in the heart of Orlando, Florida, and another one in northern Michigan up in the uh Grand Traverse Bay area that are both adding multiple small units onto their property. Um, so it is possible. It's just a case by case, and we'll have to work with your your local zoning and your municipality in order to get that approved.
SPEAKER_02Huh. Love that. The general answer of it depends. We love it. We know it and we love it. All right, team. Well, thank you for answering all the questions. Uh, I know on my from my perspective, we covered all the ones that I get asked regularly. So I am actually really excited to send out the link to this episode to people calling in. I think this will be a really helpful kind of training for people. And uh, if you're listening and we did not cover your question, please just go ahead and send in a contact form and you can connect with the right member of our team based off of what you're doing and where you're located. And uh, we look forward to hearing from you. We're particularly looking for people to reach out who have land already and you're you're looking to move forward pretty quickly, but we're always happy to answer questions, set you up with best next steps, and you know, just give you kind of a reference point for feasibility based off where you're at.
SPEAKER_01So And it's always helpful to have a builder that you're either talking to, you know, and have a relationship with, always speeds up the process.
SPEAKER_02Yes, never too soon. I just was sharing this with someone earlier or yesterday. They were asking, when should I get a builder? Never too soon to start just making some calls, asking around, seeing what people's availability is and what you know what average costs are coming in at in the area. Those are some really good questions to start asking. Thank you, Breck, for bringing that up.
SPEAKER_01Always will. Yes, always will.
SPEAKER_02All right. Thank you, everybody. We're gonna sign off here and we will see you in the next episode. Sure will. Thanks, guys.
SPEAKER_01See ya.
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